Monday, April 27, 2009

Can the Wings keep Hossa for the future?

I've had this discussion with a few people and the general feeling is that they won't be able to keep Hossa past the end of this season. Well I don't know.

One school of thought is that the Red Wings will call up some kids and give the ice time to players like Helm and Leino, and see who turns into the next Fillpula, or Hudler, or Zetterberg, etc. Another thought process is that the Red Wings could move a couple contracts out like Stuart and Cleary to free up around $5-6 million and give the money to Hossa for a long term deal. Well that's a nice thought but don't forget Zetterberg and Franzen have extensions kicking in.

Here's a look at who the Red Wings have under contract for next year and what they're making. (we don't know what the salary cap will be set at next season but its expected to be relatively the same as it is now) All the money is in terms of millions obviously.


Datsyuk $6.7
Zetterberg $6.1
Franzen $4
Filppula $3
Cleary $2.8
Holmstrom $2.2
Draper $1.6
Maltby $0.9
Helm $0.6


Lidstrom $7.5
Rafalski $6
Stuart $3.7
Kronwall $3
Lilja $1.2
Ericsson $0.9
Lebda $0.6
Meech $0.5


Osgood $1.4

So that's $52.4 million committed to 9 forwards, 8 defensman, and 1 goalie. At least 4 forwards are needed and 1 goalie to fill out the required 22 man roster (assuming Meech is sent to the minors and the Wings carry 7 and not 8 d-men) So going with what they've got, they have roughly $4 million dollars to spend on 5 roster spots.

Notable RFA's -

The Red Wings have two key restricted free agents they will most likely try to keep in the fold. First off Jiri Hudler, who posted 57 points and has developed into a really terrific player, and 2nd is Ville Leino, who has been impressive in his callups. He could be a cap casualty and get a 2-way deal to keep him off the books when he is in the minors.

Notable UFA's -

Besides the aforementioned Hossa, the Red Wings will probably be forced to let Mike Samuelsson walk, and possibly back up goalie Ty Conklin.

My guess is that the Red Wings offer Hudler a long term deal similar to that of Filppula and save some cash on him in a way that only the Red Wings seem to do. This will leave the Wings with somewhere around $1 million in cap space, and the only way I could see them keeping Hossa is by moving a lot of pieces around. Overall it doesn't make sense and logic dictates that with the Red Wings incredible track record at the draft they probably let Hossa go to free agency.

For fun here's a crazy way they could keep the superstar, involving the Toronto Maple Leafs:

First their roster if they let Hossa walk...

Hudler - Datsyuk - Holmstrom
Franzen - Zetterberg - Cleary
Leino - Filppula - (UFA or draftee)
Maltby - Draper - Helm/UFA or draftee

defense if fine. Now let's see if they make some moves with Toronto (for fun, if anyone rips into me you're an idiot)

Dan Cleary $2.8
Jiri Hudler (RFA seeking $3 mil)
Brad Stuart $3.7

to Toronto for

Matt Stajan $1.7
Nik Kulemin $1.5
Ian White $0.8

Detroit is getting some servicable players back and the trade breaks down like this. Cleary is moved for Stajan (Stajan posted over 50 points for Toronto this season). Although Stajan was slightly more productive, Dan Cleary is the gritty Red Wing with a little more value. Cleary is a typical 20-20 player.

Hudler for Kulemin. Hudler has been developing into a star and this is the tough part for the Red Wings. However Kulemin has been praised by everyone and was one of the bright spots on the Leafs roster. He is a 21 year old, potential sniper with a lot of upside. The Red Wings save some money for now and get a guy with lots of potential moving forward.

Stuart for Ian White. This part of the deal the Red Wings are dumping salary and getting a guy back who is a decent d-man. The Wings can still role Lidstrom-Rafalski-Kronwall as their big minute guys and use the feisty Ian White in the 4-6 role, all the while saving close to $3 million.

In total here the Red Wings save around $5.5 million, and could use the extra space to negotiate a spot for Hossa. Also in this situation the Wings would have around $4 million cap space already. Suppose they give Hossa around $6.5 million per season, they would have around $3 million to fill out 5 roster spots which is very doable.

Red Wings post Leafs trade:

Hossa - Datsyuk - Holmstrom
Franzen - Zetterberg - Kulemin
Stajan - Filppula - Leino
Maltby - Draper - Helm

Lidstrom - Rafalski
Kronwall - Ericsson
Lebda - White


Hope y'all enjoyed

1 comment:

pezzz said...

Good post, I like Wings team after the trade with Toronto. But to even things up, TO might have to throw in a couple of prospects of draft picks (guys like Didomenico or 2nd rounders.)

Two things I'd try to do with this Wings team. 1rst, I love Filppula as a player, and I think he's developping into something very good. But is he producing like a 3 millions player? He isn't a 20 goal scorer, he's roughly putting up 40 points, and his +/- isn't that impressive while playing on a team like Detroit. I think Leino could very well handle his spot, while costing maybe 1.5-2 millions less. I'd try to move him to a team like Minnesota or Atlanta for a good propsect and a 2nd rounder.

2nd thing. Could Tomas Holmstrom retire at the end of the season if the Wings win the Cup? He's a good player, but his role is mainly to get his ass in front of opponent's goaltender. The point is, Franzen and Cleary also became beasts at doing this. So is he still that much valuable to the team? Sure, he provides great depth when he's in the lineup, but he played only 53 and 59 games the past 2 years. If he retires, that would give an additionnal 2.25 millions to the Wings to resign key players.

Oh, and I think the Draper resigning a year ago was idiot, but he was so loyal for so many years, I guess he earned it. But 1.5 is a lot for a 4th line center. Helm could do the same job for 750K.....Same for Lilja. 1.25 millions is not a lot for a player of his calibre (he could earn 2.5 on the market), but is he that needed on the team? Lebda, Meech, even Pyatt...they could all handle the #6 spot.

Trading Stuart might not be the best idea, but if someone has to go as a cap casualty, it's gonna be him. Ericsson is playing very good and could replace him well with a little coaching.